Authority...how many links

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 15:03

@Cbn5

Die Begriffe die ich meine, gehören zur Champions-League und nicht zur Kreisklasse. In dieser Klasse (beim KW aus meinem Beispiel) findest Du auf google.com kaum einen auf der ersten Seite unter PR7 und unter 10 000 Backlinks...
Wenn Du es aber mit einer nagelneuen .de.vu-Domain und >50 Gästebuchlinks es z.B. für einen Begriff mit mehr als 14 000 000 SERPs und Kostenpunkt > $5 bei AW auf die erste Seite schaffst, dann gibt mir das sicherlich zu denken...

Die erste Seite auf g.com ist für Money-Machine-Keywords LEIDER nicht so einfach binnen 6 Monaten zu erreichen. Für die Jungs die DORT mitspielen (wollen) sind einige Tausend $ Monatsbudget gar nichts, denn die daraus erwirtschafteten Gewinne übersteigen die getätigte Investition bei weitem...Hierfür eine "natürliche" Verlinkung hinzubekommen wäre sehr zeitaufwendig, was sich kostenmässig wiederum nicht rechtfertigen lässt.. Wenn Du Dir überlegst, WIEVIELE PR6+5+4 Links Du "organisieren" müsstest um die Wirkung eines PR8-Links zu erreichen, dann gibst Du mir sicherlich Recht, dass es VIIIIIEL billiger ist, gleich einen 8-ter zu kaufen.

Ich lasse mich jedoch in Richtung Minimalismus immer gern belehren...

:-):-)

Gruss,

KeepCool

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Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 15:03

Webby hat geschrieben:BTW, I rate a DMOZ link as much as I'd rate any other thematic link. I really dont believe they have any additional boost just because they are DMOZ .............

Hi Alan,

The boost is not when a site get listed in DMOZ but when google has implanted the DMOZ dump in his directory.

I noticed a couple of times the exact moment this was happening and the relation in gaining positions...

As example....one site was listed before on a major keyword...then florida came and poof...out.

Site was submitted to dmoz....listed in the google directory and poof....back where it was like florida never happend.

Also Manute did mention it....out of DMOZ and out later in the SERPS.

I believe also that when listed in the google directory a site is gaining authority enough from google to get listed on related words also.

Also because of the strict nature of a site approval by a dmoz editor i am almost sure that google is not evaluating this data anymore with his own methods.

KeepCool hat geschrieben:@Optimizer
Thank you for this very ineresting thread !

Your welcome......because this is probaly the most important factor at this moment for google it's also important to discuss it here.

It's nice to have a budget...but what if you don't have a budget ?

Regards,
OPtimizer

Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 15:06

Monsieur hat geschrieben:You're writing about "NOT themed" links.
I wonder if a link from a site in a different language counts as much as a site in the same language (both not themed).

I have a site in English, but haven't used it yet to boost any other site (no outgoing links on the main page), so I'ld like to know if it would work or not.
Maybe I should just try it out...

I site not themed and in another language may help....
to gain PR....
to support a search word but not as strong as a theme related site would...
to get listed in the english serps even the site linked to is not.

regards,
OPtimizer

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Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 15:50

@Optimizer

Full ACK regarding DMOZ...a DMOZ listing is the crucial point in getting out of the filtering mechanisms. I can fully confirm this in THREE cases...

It's nice to have a budget...but what if you don't have a budget ?

Build links, dummy sites, content and wait...

There is another possibility to get out of the filters - for high competitive KWs - (even sandbox)...as I realized this solutions only ONCE (without massive bombing) I can tell you more (per PM) AFTER the next successful test...I think one test isn't really relevant...

Greets,

KeepCool

Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 16:44

KeepCool hat geschrieben:@Optimizer

Full ACK regarding DMOZ...a DMOZ listing is the crucial point in getting out of the filtering mechanisms. I can fully confirm this in THREE cases...

It's nice to have a budget...but what if you don't have a budget ?
Build links, dummy sites, content and wait...

There is another possibility to get out of the filters - for high competitive KWs - (even sandbox)...as I realized this solutions only ONCE (without massive bombing) I can tell you more (per PM) AFTER the next successful test...I think one test isn't really relevant...

Greets,

KeepCool

Hi,

With the links we are on one line....

When reading your text i was looking at google.de to search for something...but could not be found......

In this way an open market for germany

I know all who read this would like to know what i am talking about...
but have this inspect this more...because i don't just shout something here without knowing it's true.

regards,
OPtimizer

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 16:47

@Optimizer

It's nice to have a budget...but what if you don't have a budget ?

Da war noch was:

1. Derartige Massnahmen werden in D kaum oder sehr selten benötigt
2. Es ist grundsätzlich sehr gut, das Klientel an gesunde Kosten zu gewöhnen
3. Damit erhalten nur Firmen Zugang zum kompetitiven Bereich die über das nötige Kleingeld verfügen und mehrheitlich keine Affiliate- / Pay-Per-Click-Portale; da die Halbwertszeit dieser Konstrukte generell eingeschränkt ist, werden kaum diese Summen investiert. Das Geld wird fast ausschliesslich von Grosskunden investiert, deren Interesse ist, langfristig relevante Ergebnisse für die Sumas zu liefern.
4. Ich persönlich finde es nicht teuer; gemessen an klassische Marketing-Massnahmen ist es - richtig eingesetzt - spottbillig...
5. 10 000 Dollar am Tag erschrecken mich nicht, wenn minimum 11 000 dabei herauskommen; 10 Dollar ist allerdings teuer, wenn es nichts einbringt...

:-):-)
6. Treat it like classical advertising and you will see, IT IS CHEAP...it is just a psychological "frontier"...after crossing, you'll love it ! It's hard for people sailing close to the wind to get the point (I had problems with these facts too), but it works...

:-):-)

Greets,

KeepCool

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 17:06

@Optimizer

Generally, good companies spend 3-6% of their total annual revenue with marketing. In my case study the budget is about 9%, that's true, but the revenue (~$100 000) is guaranteed, so where do you see problems with "paid bombing" ?

KeepCool

Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 17:35

Hi Keepcool,

By your words i was searching....

Why there are so less german startpages where visitors can request a subpage to control ?

Could this be a forgotten market in GERMANY ?????

OPtimizer

(this in relation with the link building !!!!)

Beitrag von **Fruetel** » 24.10.2004, 17:52

Optimizer,

are you thinking about free homepage sites like https://www.beepworld.de/? I don't believe these are any good for building linkpopularity, as the links from there will count next to nothing. You would need several thousands of these to have any impact i guess.

Regards,
Thomas

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 18:29

That IS a forgotten market, Optimizer...but - as Fruetel says - a worthless too. Too much time to spend with building worthless sites to get a minimal push of LinkPop. You can get the same effect by spending $10 / per month without having to copywrite silly, useless sites (a kind of "human composed DWPs"). During this time it would be more usefull to add content / products / articles to your Money-Site...

It's cheap to get LinkPop at the moment, because there are many PR2-4 sites charging 5-10 ? / per month to link you. Believe me, it's better focussing your core assets: do a research on new Money-Machine-KWs and add new sites based on these KWs / phrases.

SEO targets making money...you DO NOT make money without core assets; SEO is just an instrument and at the moment - depending on your business and KWs - an cheap one to get a maximum of ROI...

Text-Advertising is cheap, people doing a great job in copywriting / descriptions, etc. are NOT cheap...so why pay good people for doing a useless, silly job like dummy site-copywriting ?

Just my experience...

KeepCool

Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 18:33

Fruetel hat geschrieben:Optimizer,

are you thinking about free homepage sites like https://www.beepworld.de/? I don't believe these are any good for building linkpopularity, as the links from there will count next to nothing. You would need several thousands of these to have any impact i guess.

Regards,
Thomas

Nope....

https://www.pagina.be/
https://www.startpagina.be/
https://www.startpagina.nl/
https://www.klikwijzer.nl/

want 50 links more ?

each you can request your own page...
with normal links.....where are the german ones ?????

Maybe a hint to request a german page

regards,
OPtimizer

Beitrag von **Optimizer** » 24.10.2004, 18:43

KeepCool hat geschrieben:That IS a forgotten market, Optimizer...but - as Fruetel says - a worthless too. Too much time to spend with building worthless sites to get a minimal push of LinkPop.

If startpages like that are using a redirect script it's useless to be an editor.. agreed

What i was pointing at was to be the editor of lets say 100 of those pages that are using normal links.

If you control pages with a theme it's easy to promote clients in the same theme !!

If you control pages with the subject germany or companies then you can promote all !!

The inpact may be small...but seeing the PR of some of those sites not less then links who are bought.

I look also at it as an SEO....not just a web owner...the possibility to promote a new site from a client in a short time with many links is a plus for good results and satisfied client's.

Regards,
OPtimizer

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 18:49

@All

Try a search on "insurance" or "sports news" and take a look at the guys living on Googles first site ! These KWs are eg a $100 000 monthly income warranty (minimum)...

Try to get there with a NEW site and "natural" LinkBuilding or dummy-sites...

:-)

Optimizer, for "Big-ROI"-KWs, you have to play hard, very hard...

KeepCool

Beitrag von **KeepCool** » 24.10.2004, 19:06

Facing the hard competition on MAJOR keywords means permanently adding tons of news "votes" to your sites. It's impossible to build them manually and to get for these sites the PR and LP you need for them to get boosted.
Secondly, you will soon get a problem as G recognizes the dummy-block as a network...it is better to use for each project completely different link-networks --> you can complete this ONLY by buying "votes"...

Greets and good night,

KeepCool

Beitrag von **Cbn5** » 24.10.2004, 19:25

Die ganze Disskusion bringt mich zu der Frage: Wie wichtig sind Links von themennahen Seiten bei "kleineren" Keywords wirklich? Angenommen ich habe ein Keyword mit etwa 500.000 Ergebnissen aus dem Hardwarebereich, alle Seiten auf den oberen Positionen haben weniger als 100 Backlinks und maximal PR5. Ist es hier wirklich nötig sich bei 10 kleineren PR4 und PR5-Seiten aus dem Themenkomplex einzubuchen oder reicht ein themenfremder PR7-Link sowie ein paar PR4 und PR5-Links von eigenen (themenfremden) Seiten schon um dort ganz nach oben zu kommen?

Ich komme darauf, weil mir eine Seite eines Konkurrenten aufgefallen ist, der von einem PR6-DMOZ-Clone und einem PR6-Wikipedia-Clone etwa 20 DWPs aus den Bereichen Hardware, Finanzen und Webhosting verlinkt und dort fast überall in den Top5 ist (jedes Keyword unter 400.000 Ergebnissen).

Grüße,

Sebastian